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fuck you, women's clothing industry

Giant middle finger for everyone this week on clothes.

I wanted to buy some solid gray slacks. I have a pair of black pants that I bought at Von Maur a year or so ago. So I walk into the store, look around, can't find them. I explain to the salesperson, "You carry the Tribal pants in talls, I think? Or at least you did. Where are they?" She shakes her head and says "Oh sorry, this season we're not carrying tall sizes in the store anymore, bit of a shift there, we just got away from it!"

Okay. Ugh.

So I go across the mall to The Limited because they have lengths of pants there too but nope... again, they have regular and petite, no longer talls in the stores. They just did.

How can my height, which hasn't changed since I was 16, go out of style?

Back to special ordering.

Months ago I went to a networking dinner plus seminar about interview and business attire. The presenters are from a local department stores. First the menswear manager talks about suits, explaining how they tailor the lengths in the store. Then the ladies' department talks about their clothes. Someone asks if they also tailor the lengths. Nope.

The menswear manager pipes up and explains to the crowd that women's clothes are "ready to wear", men's clothes are "made to tailor" so they come with lots of extra pant/sleeve length.

What the FUCK would be wrong with making women's clothes like that?! Do women not come in heights?

I read that tucked in shirts are back in style, so for a trendy new look, go tucked in. Everything was untucked for a while. now it's back. I hope college students were interested in this because I am not at all interested in the revolving doors of tucking/untucking, high waist/low waist, neutral/jewel tones, all going back and forth, who finds this interesting? Are women all supposed to die in childbirth before we hit 30 so we don't notice these rehashed excuses the clothing stores use to get us to buy new clothes every year?

I realize I've been tall for decades now and dealing with this bullshit for decades and I should be over it, but I'm not. Maybe because a few stores taunted me last season?

back to special ordering. it's frustrating. I ordered three pairs of pants from pennies a few weeks ago and returned them all because they were cheap lightweight polyester that felt like they were going to fall apart if I bumped against a wall. nothing structured or sturdy. I wish I could feel fabric and find a size that fits me in one process. nope.

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okoshun
Feb. 28th, 2016 12:03 am (UTC)
That is frustrating. In plus-sized pants, I find that they assume that all fat people are 5'3. Being 5'5, everything is 2" too short such that me, at 5'5" orders tall pants.

Then I gained a bit this past while and went up a size. Apparently when you expand an inch, they also think that you grow 2". I now have to roll up the tall pants, but the regular sized pants are still made for 5'3" people.

I give up.
ctgstr8
Feb. 28th, 2016 05:24 pm (UTC)
Short, fat, people in pants
I wear a plus size 22 and I'm just under 5'3". I have to have about 3 inches cut off the legs of pants. Even tee shirts and blouses are too long on me, in my estimation.
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ctgstr8
Feb. 29th, 2016 05:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Short, fat, people in pants
Thanks! It's comforting to know I'm not the only woman being ill-treated!
luzclarita
Feb. 28th, 2016 12:19 am (UTC)
My theory is that they just realized that it's not hand over fist profits to carry special sizes, so they just stopped instead of working under the assumption that carrying clothes for everyone will make people like your store better and buy non-clothing items as well.

As for fashion, I don't care, but for God's sake don't leave out the pockets!
spacefem
Feb. 28th, 2016 03:27 am (UTC)
zomg yes! what is up with women's pants having no pockets!
siglinde99
Feb. 28th, 2016 01:24 pm (UTC)
I hate pockets in pants and skirts! If I buy clothes that have them (which is rare), I remove them if I can, or sew them shut if I can't. I don't carry anything but my smartphone/laptop/notepad at work, and I always have a knapsack to to hold my purse, water bottle, craft project etc outside of work, so pockets are just a way to make my clothes bulgy and highlight the spots where I'm bulgy.
lantairvlea
Feb. 28th, 2016 03:33 am (UTC)
I bought a pair of shorts and didn't realize they didn't have back pockets until I tried to put my wallet in them after buying and washing them. They looked like they had pockets even.

Dive me insane.
koremelanaigis
Feb. 28th, 2016 12:48 am (UTC)
Have you thought about buying pants from a menswear store?
vvalkyri
Feb. 29th, 2016 12:49 am (UTC)
Thing is, unless you also get it tailored… That's an idea - they might be willing to also tailor there. (I bought some cargoes in men's at Sunny surplus and they just don't fit right. I mean they fit right if I put a sock on the front but otherwise they don't fit right.)
shutterbug
Feb. 28th, 2016 01:47 am (UTC)
A friend of mine called me shortly before I read this entry to complain about this very thing! Argh! I love the idea of tailoring especially for pants.
aliki
Feb. 28th, 2016 01:55 am (UTC)
I noticed that with pant widths too: boot cut in the 90s, skinny leg for the past few years, and then I just walked by some stores and noticed that they were selling wide legs again. WHYYY.

Have you tried New York & Co? They are still carrying tall sizes in store for business wear. For casual wear like jeans, camis, and other t-shirts in tall sizes, I get it from Old Navy Online. It's free shipping if you buy over $50 and free returns in store, so there is no "loss". I just buy a whole bunch, try them on at home, and whatever doesn't fix, I bring back to the local store for a full refund.

As for the comment about buying pants from a men's store, as a tall woman, I'll tell you it doesn't work. The cut is all wrong, doesn't fit in the hips and falls incorrectly from the waist.
spacefem
Feb. 28th, 2016 03:29 am (UTC)
it worked for jeans in the 90s grunge era. but yeah, no, I wasn't sure how to respond to that suggestion but for work slacks the men's section won't work.

we don't have NY & CO in Wichita! It's one of the few stores we still don't have, there's one it hutch, it's so weird! I used to love it in KC though, next time I'm up there I'll have to check it out.
altamira16
Feb. 28th, 2016 03:56 am (UTC)
Buckle also has pants in lengths, but they are not very professional looking.

Edited at 2016-02-28 03:56 am (UTC)
koremelanaigis
Feb. 28th, 2016 07:51 pm (UTC)
That's annoying. I'd heard about guys buying women's pants so I thought maybe it'd work the other way round.

I like the idea of selling lower turnover things in the online store with free shipping and local returns. You can go into the local store look at the pants you're considering feel the quality of the fabric and even check the fit (apart from the too short thing).
aliki
Feb. 29th, 2016 12:59 am (UTC)
This is basically what I do. Since I live relatively close to the retail stores, it's hassle-free returns and no up-charge for shipping to my home. I also like trying on all the stuff in my home, on my own time, and not feeling rushed at the store in the changing room.
lantairvlea
Feb. 28th, 2016 03:40 am (UTC)
I have given up on women's clothing. The only things I have found that are okay are dresses, skirts, and riding wear. Even then the first two can be hard to find in a decent cut or style I like.
aryanhwy
Feb. 28th, 2016 09:18 am (UTC)
I have a rather tall friend who works as a large animal vet. She too has an extremely difficult time finding work-appropriate trousers!
ironphoenix
Feb. 28th, 2016 12:35 pm (UTC)
Sizing for women's clothes is mystifying, almost as much as pricing. Good luck...
siglinde99
Feb. 28th, 2016 01:19 pm (UTC)
I share your hatred on the clothing front. I am slightly taller than average, but with long legs. I could find pants in my length when I was a skinny adolescent, and I can sometimes find them again (in lousy fabric) now that I'm a fat aging woman. My tall son gets fabulous suits that fit him every time. I work in an office - why don't I deserve equally good quality suits?

My solution is to go to a tailor when I can afford it, and sew pants myself when I can't. I have taken apart a pair of perfect pants and just use them as my pattern.
sunneschii
Feb. 28th, 2016 04:09 pm (UTC)
I like clothes shopping in stores... for my husband.

For myself, I order mostly online - even the chaotic shop concepts with the thousand of options for leisure or beachwear ovewhelm me, and I am too lazy to look for the one item I'd like.
vvalkyri
Feb. 29th, 2016 12:51 am (UTC)
Another option is to take one of your known-goods and look for it on eBay. I've got friends who do that all the time; there is a knack to it, though, which I don't have.
astrogeek01
Feb. 29th, 2016 04:00 pm (UTC)
I think we should just firebomb the fashion industry.
nessalc
Mar. 1st, 2016 07:00 pm (UTC)
When it comes to things other than suits, I still have issues. I need a 38" inseam, which a guy can get no problem if his waist is around 50", but not in the 40" or 38" area unless he's supremely lucky (often an in-store return of an online-ordered item). The problem with menswear shops seems to be the "and" in "Big and Tall". So even when I visit these places, I wind up special-ordering my pants. My shirts are only on a rack a fraction of the time, so they have to be ordered online, too. And don't get me started on shoes...

My wife has her own issues as a shorter individual, though I'm not qualified to speak on her behalf. I just know that she complains about clothes shopping almost as much as I do.
filmstar
Mar. 3rd, 2016 07:25 am (UTC)
Ann Taylor/LOFT is my go-to for workwear. They always have some tall in store in my experience. And their pants are well-made, often lined (which I love).
gingerimma
Sep. 21st, 2016 06:20 pm (UTC)
That's absolutely annoying! I'm quite tall too and I usually fail to find smth long enough to cover all my legs. I started searching for on-line stores with clothes for tall. Probavly the best is asos clothes for tall . Really suggest checking it. Maybe it'll be helpful.

Edited at 2016-09-21 06:22 pm (UTC)
alyssashealth
Sep. 21st, 2016 08:24 pm (UTC)

I feel you! I'm not tall but I'm 5'1" and very curvy. Not making womens clothing "made to tailor" is kind of saying all women fit into a certain body type and thats not only wrong but kind of ignorant... We need to fix how we see women and how they dress.

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