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Wow, mega drama going on over at the invite your friends to livejournal announcement.

I will say a few things.

First, it does reek of despiration when a website tries to do a "revival" and bring back old times, without even talking about anything they're changing to be a valuable resource to people. I found it super creepy a few years ago to find that livejournal basically killed the suggestions community, we used to be able to post up pretty much anything, even if it was moderated. Now it's not only moderated but nothing is allowed to show up apparently. Trust me there's gotta be no shortage of suggestions.

Every website's user base will accuse its owners of not listening. Facebook, always... but people still use it! Etsy, oh man it's toxic over in those forums... but they continue to grow.

Shockingly I managed to update the spacefem.com design this year and people liked what I did. But even on my own website, there's been plenty of times when I redesigned and everyone hated it because "stuff moved".

It's like the one true constant of having a user base. They WILL hate changes.

And one downfall we have as users... there's no evidence to suggest that website companies who ignore users lose out in the end. Lots of them do great.

Livejournal has done a few good things. I like the friends page layout now. I am also really happy that they introduced scheduled posts a few years back... I might have bailed if not for that. So I give them credit.

People launched protests movement over the navigation bars at the top of journals. They really were not that bad.

What is missing, in my opinion, is a vision. What are livejournal's plans? What are they rolling out? When will we have responsive designs for our journals? Where does livejournal see its nitch? We don't hear from them very often, which contributes to the "lj is dying" vibe that I managed to fight off myself this year with a few good additions to my friends list.

This place is weird... but not doomed.

I did invite two friends to livejournal, that's the daily limit for their new invite tool, and it's a completely stupid limit because they don't even tell you about it. The next day I couldn't remember who I'd already invited, so I'm just not going to use that tool anymore. I can't tell if livejournal is interested in that feedback or not. And that's typical of the weirdness. We see a glimmer of development, then they go back in the closet and we're on our own.

Bear with them people, that's my recommendation. Don't let the lj haters get you down.

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yamamanama
Apr. 3rd, 2015 04:47 pm (UTC)
I invited people back. I don't know if they still use the e-mail associated with their account, though.


I don't know where everyone went. It's not like there are any real alternatives to Livejournal.
sandokai
Apr. 4th, 2015 01:22 am (UTC)
I think a lot of people switched to mostly cell phones only (no laptops, etc.) or got rid of home internet when they bought a smartphone, and so don't feel they can do things like livejournal anymore. Though, as you say, there isn't anything that serves the same role in one's life to use as an alternative...
tsutsujigirl
Apr. 3rd, 2015 04:51 pm (UTC)
I miss a lot of my friends who used to be on lj; I have most of them on facebook, but it's not the same. I think it's just that they prefer a quicker platform, and I find fb is easier to use for pictures. I wish lj would streamline adding media a bit more.
hitchhiker
Apr. 5th, 2015 08:24 am (UTC)
adding some sort of upvote/+1/like/whatever would be great too - it provides enough feedback to encourage people to post, but doesn't lay a burden on the reader to think of something to say and go through the friction of the comment mechanism when all they wanted to say was "i like this"
vvalkyri
Apr. 5th, 2015 06:34 pm (UTC)
+1

(There, not so hard)
siduri
Apr. 3rd, 2015 05:16 pm (UTC)
It is really funny when the people in that were in the fantoms complain about not being able to talk to each other on Tumblr-yet they still abandon LJ. This used to be the place for people to gather for fan stuff but when Tumblr came on board everyone rushed there-and complained about the lack of communication. Hello? You have a forum for talking and you don't use it, so don't complain.

People also complain about how shitty Tumblr and Facebook are to use, but again. you have so many tools at your disposal here to maintain communities-and people don't use them. So, whatever…

Most of my original FList is long gone so I didn't bother with the invite thing. It is not just FB or Tumblr that took people, a few of my friends wanted Wordpress blogs so they could have a more public Net presence. I never talk to them at those sites as it is all too public. And I need joined the Cult of the Face…

I am still having fun here, though. Have met lots of nice new people, so yeah...
spacefem
Apr. 3rd, 2015 05:24 pm (UTC)
You are right on, there. It's like the people who are here are here because we asked ourselves "what site has what we need?" instead of the more popular question, "what site is the hot new thing?"
siduri
Apr. 3rd, 2015 05:48 pm (UTC)
I really cannot figure it out. You want to talk? Tumblr is NOT the place to chat up your fandom. I remember an instance in one of my fantoms where an individual was very problematic. That person was banned. Period. You have a hard time doing that on Tumblr and FB is not a place for in depth conversation.

Your question hits the nail on the head, yes...
mai_neh
Apr. 3rd, 2015 05:44 pm (UTC)
LOL, of all the things to have drama over!
elainegrey
Apr. 3rd, 2015 09:39 pm (UTC)
Indeed! But it wouldn't be LJ without drama!
hitchhiker
Apr. 5th, 2015 08:24 am (UTC)
too true :) maybe that is its true ecological niche!
fiddlingfrog
Apr. 3rd, 2015 11:12 pm (UTC)
I think the major cause of LJ drama isn't the actual inciting incident, it's that people fail to realize that everyone uses the site differently and for different reasons. Not wrong, just different. And so they see a change that doesn't benefit them, fail to see how anyone could possibly want it, and start to yell because "change is bad and you're not listening to your users!"
spikesgirl58
Apr. 3rd, 2015 06:22 pm (UTC)
I tend to agree with you. No matter what problems LJ has, it's still better than some of the other sites. I like it here and the friends I've made. It's not perfect, but it's home.
cactus_rs
Apr. 3rd, 2015 07:56 pm (UTC)
I predict that a lot of people are going to be reminded that they have accounts they'd rather have deleted. Lot of usernames going to become available in the coming months.
howlin_wolf_66
Apr. 4th, 2015 02:34 pm (UTC)
Cynical and depressing... but sadly, probably true! :-)
dynamicgirl
Apr. 4th, 2015 12:59 am (UTC)
I can't imagine leaving LJ for FB or Tumblr, totally not the same... Yet ppl do
anita_margarita
Apr. 4th, 2015 06:03 am (UTC)
I saw the promos in my email on f-list and didn't really think about it much. But yeah, they can't be generating the income they used to, so of course they want new bloggers.

IMHO it is largely due to the quick-and-dirty aspects of Facebook that people moved over there and haven't come back. Blogging in long sentences without memes is more difficult and time-consuming, to be sure, but for me it is ultimately more rewarding. I could go to a place like Wordpress, where I keep my cooking blog and a blog advertising my shop, but there isn't the built-in reader base there.

LJ has had a history of fuckups - the entire adult content thing comes to mind - but overall I like it. I especially appreciate that you can now directly upload photos rather than save them via Flickr or Photobucket first.

But I complain far more about Facebook. I do miss some of the old regulars on my friends list, but people will do what they will.
matrixmann
Apr. 4th, 2015 07:18 am (UTC)
That's also my saying on the subject: This place actually has a good potential, regarding the fact that all the other social network sites want to know who you are to sell stuff to you or to hand over your data to the secret services of the United States. This place is one of the last few remains of internet anonymity, and I can't imagine that people didn't want that.
One must maybe regard that on this site the English-speaking community rather is the minority of users, that this is more designed for users from Russia meanwhile. But even in the business term, try to get the English-speaking world bound to you because English is just a world language which you can find use for even in the other countries with a different native language.
This would be a minimum at least. You could goodly start off with this.
gilda_elise
Apr. 4th, 2015 12:10 pm (UTC)
I really don't get the attraction of Facebook and Tumblr, so I can't say why people have gravitated over there from here. I tried Tumblr. It's about the worst place there is to carry on a conversation. Facebook isn't much better. I've joined a few communities there out of necessity, but it's often hard to follow a conversation, especially one where a lot of people of commented. I never know where in the long list of reply the ending is!

Anyway, I think a lot of LJ's problems aren't ones they can fix–like not being the latest hot thing, or having to actually think out a response rather than just "like" or "heart."

I'm not going to invite back anyone, but I think I will ask a few people why they've stopped posting here.
howlin_wolf_66
Apr. 4th, 2015 02:42 pm (UTC)
I don't think I will invite anyone back... I feel like if they left, they left for a reason, and they might resent me for trying to force it/myself back into their lives! :-)

I love this place though, and I've never found anywhere else like it... I like 'having to engage', and I feel like engaging with less people is okay, as long as the ones who stick around are still interesting (and to me, they are!)

I never understood why old LJ people migrated to Facebook... To me, they are fundamentally different places, so why would you try to do the same stuff on a platform that isn't built for that? LJ is the best at what it does, and whilst there may be a dwindling audience for the kind of pleasures it offers, there is nowhere else that can do what it does, better.
aposteriori
Apr. 4th, 2015 09:42 pm (UTC)
I did invite a few friends back, mainly because a big part of the reason that I don't come here much anymore is because my friends page has dwindled to you and one other person who consistently write actual posts, one photo-a-day project journal, and news posts. But do I honestly expect any of these people to come? Doubtful.

Probably I'm better off using the community you pointed to a while back, but ... well really I can't justify why I don't. Laziness, I guess?

I do agree the whole "invite your friends back" think smells desperate. And also with just about everything else you said in this post. It's not doomed, there are a lot of things about LJ that I still love. And I keep my (now three!) accounts around because I love being able to look back at different periods of my life, and continue to pay for this one even though I hardly update it because I want to support them. I'll be here for the long haul, even though at times I don't make the time to keep up with it.
vvalkyri
Apr. 5th, 2015 06:33 pm (UTC)
Seriously? they have a limit as to how many people you can invite per day? that's insane. I sent the invite by email and then found out a lot of people are actually reading who I did not know are reading because they never even comment. I also posted on Facebook. But I don't connect my Facebook to my LiveJournal so I kind of said 'hey message me if you might actually come back' which of course got nowhere.

(Dictated to Siri)
vvalkyri
Apr. 5th, 2015 06:37 pm (UTC)
(I also put it in terms of "if you haven't logged in for a year and you go and post something both you when I get a free month." I have a notification of a sudden free month although I have no idea from whom yet.
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