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spacebaby's mommy is pro-choice

So Marc dressed jo in her shirt that says "my mommy is pro-CHOICE!" for a trip to the zoo this week, of all places. He was sort of delighted to tell me about all the icy glares he received from the Wichita crowd. I was kinda shocked he took her out in it, I bought it for her to wear to rallies or NOW picnics or other places where it's a bit more acceptable to spout off liberal views on reproductive rights... the zoo? But I gotta love the man. Better to be over the line on the offensive liberal side than unsupportive, right?

So first general question: is it bad that we'd dress our kid in political views? The shirt speaks the truth, it doesn't say "this baby pro-choice" because she obviously doesn't know what's what, it says her mother is... that's me! Then again it does kind of imply that she's proud or happy about my views which I guess isn't entirely correct, since she doesn't know any better. I'll let you all weigh in on how bad it is to put one-year-olds in any shirt with words on them, k? Is it bad if it's political? Religious? About poop? Everyone has a different line, obviously. She also has a shirt that says "FUTURE ASTRONAUT"... if anything, that one's pigeonholing her way more than a shirt about her mom is.

What made me get her the shirt was being so irritated, again and again, seeing bumper stickers, billboards, shirts, signs etc EVERYWHERE that equate motherhood with anti-choice attitudes.

Gems like "your mother was pro-life!" Uh, you don't know that. And I am living proof that a mother can be very pro-choice, in fact I've written that pregnancy made me even more pro-choice than I was before.

And my other favorite is "your mother chose life!" Yeah. CHOSE. That's different than being forced to carry a pregnancy to full term because that's the only path for a fertilized egg that your right-wing government has mandated for you.

So I snapped and that's how my child ended up draped in propaganda. I just really want to say, "Look, here's evidence that you can have a baby, love a baby, take care of a baby, and still totally support anyone else's decision to NOT have a baby." It's about admitting that what's right for me is not right for everybody... that's what being a pro-choice is about in the first place!


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Mar. 7th, 2012 01:46 am (UTC)
Pregnancy made me more pro-choice too. I was like "No way in hell should someone do this involuntarily!" And I had a relatively easy pregnancy for the most part too...

I think it's okay, but then again I agree with the political message. It seems wrong when someone dresses a baby in such things when the political message is personally offensive but cute when we agree, so...hmmm.
Mar. 7th, 2012 01:52 am (UTC)
Here, here.
My parents were VERY unsure about having a child. They had, in fact, pretty much decided to be child-free, until my mother got pregnant.
Mar. 7th, 2012 02:14 am (UTC)
Hm. I probably wouldn't put my baby in something similar, mostly because I don't like to put words in his mouth too much via clothing (even if the clothes are saying something about me, it's still sort of him "saying" it), and I really don't like icy glares when I'm out (parents judge each other enough without me inviting it). I don't mind seeing kids in those type of things at all (I wouldn't be an icy stare or whatever) but it just wouldn't be likely that I'd dress my son in something similar.

We don't have much in the way of clothes for him that have messages on them. Some things have a few words, like "beep beep" or "dino" or whatever, but I don't really put those in the same category. We have one onesie that says "A minor" on it and has an A minor scale on it. But that's about it.
Mar. 8th, 2012 12:22 am (UTC)
I'm the same way, I don't even like dressing my son in such things even when the things the baby is 'saying' are totally innocuous and true such as 'my mummy loves me'. I do, however dress him in 'girls' clothes sometimes, so I guess that's my statement.

I really dislike tshirts that enforce gender roles e.g. one that says 'future trophy wife'. So I respect spacefem for countering such shirts with her 'future astronaut'.
Mar. 7th, 2012 02:27 am (UTC)
I just really want to say, "Look, here's evidence that you can have a baby, love a baby, take care of a baby, and still totally support anyone else's decision to NOT have a baby." It's about admitting that what's right for me is not right for everybody... that's what being a pro-choice is about in the first place!

That is completely awesome! Even being pro-choice myself though, that is totally not what I first jumped to. I first went to the "using baby as billboard". *shrugs* It's not like you can put a disclaimer on everything.

I understand what you mean about being pushed into it though. I've always been rather anti-organized religion but moving to Alabama has made me much more "HELL NO" on that front, simply because I am surrounded by it and it is always assumed that I am Christian and it Drives Me BatShit Crazy when people start praying at non religious events (cough, company luncheons, cough). Anyway, I grok.

Totally awesome for Marc though! My hubby has picked up feminism from my rants over the years and has recently started in on rants of his own. Some are totally off track, but he's learning and he'll getting more comfortable being vocal and he's starting to see this stuff on his own and it's awesome! (Now to get him on the same page about racism...)
Mar. 7th, 2012 02:48 am (UTC)
I would never dress my kids in something political because people are so passionate about these things that I'd be worried that someone might do something violent against my child.

That's how you can tell I'm from NYC and you're from Kansas.
Mar. 7th, 2012 05:14 am (UTC)
No, that's how you can tell you've heard about violence about abortion in Kansas.

Seriously, i sometimes feel in danger in choice or pro gay stuff. And I'm a grown ass woman.
Mar. 7th, 2012 06:14 am (UTC)
Seriously. As a native Kansan myself, when people assume the state is somehow immune from violence over politics, I want to look at them and say, "Uh, hi? Bleeding Kansas ring a bell? How about George Tiller?" It's like folks forget our state was born out of a pissing contest over slavery.
Mar. 7th, 2012 01:22 pm (UTC)
I just think violence is possible anywhere. All it takes is one crazy person to overreact. It's not worth the risk to me.
Mar. 7th, 2012 05:43 pm (UTC)
Please understand i'm not trying to negate violence where you are.

Wichitans have an odd relationship with our city, and the history of abortion violence is part of that. Dr. Tiller was shot in both arms years before he was killed. His clinic was fire bombed. We've had two "Summers of Mercy" in which protestors attempt to shut down the city. In 1991, they kind of succeeded. My mom, who worked at PP, which does not do abortions in Kansas, was threatened.

In some ways, we're proud of surviving it. It's almost a perverse thing. Example: I feel like I have a lot more street creed for having done clinic defense for Dr. Tiller's Clinic that for being an escort in Lincoln, NE.

I kind of feel like their could be a motto: "Wichita and Pensicola: Bringing you clinic violence since the mid 80s."

Mar. 7th, 2012 02:52 am (UTC)
I truly hate those damn billboards. It's not as bad up here but the billboards are still around.

If they can invade my life by plastering their false advertising around, I think it's fair to invade theirs by stating your true feelings about it.
Mar. 7th, 2012 04:27 am (UTC)
If you'll pardon the opinion of a total stranger: ...is it bad that we'd dress our kid in political views? Not even a little bit (and props to your spouse, he's a keeper). As you say, it's about you, not her, and it's a true statement, so it's a non-issue. Speaking as someone who spent quite a few of her formative years in Wichita, I have to also say kudos for being liberal there -- it's gotta be a relatively lonely feeling LOL!

You might enjoy this.
Mar. 7th, 2012 05:13 am (UTC)
Completely agree. It's about you. It's Wichita, it's important.
Mar. 7th, 2012 04:43 am (UTC)
Mar. 7th, 2012 10:22 am (UTC)
I'd be staring at a kid with that shirt ... but mostly because I'd be wondering if it would be rude to make a comment to her parents. (Probably along the lines of "Great shirt! Does it come in my size?")
Mar. 7th, 2012 10:23 am (UTC)
Forgot to say, this is even more awesome when the kid was with her *father*!
Mar. 7th, 2012 01:38 pm (UTC)
I think it's awesome! I think I need a shirt like that for my little one too.

I dress my kid like a nerd (see example of Jayne cosplay in icon and I've pulled is Superman shirt out for today) because I am one. Sometimes I worry about imparting my nerdish ways on my child. Hopefully when he grows up to be a jock, he'll have compassion for his nerdy parents. ;)
Mar. 7th, 2012 01:49 pm (UTC)
I'd do it. The shirts I really dislike are the ones that are actively tacky or glorify bratty behavior. Like the "Does this diaper make my butt look big?" or "When Mommy says no, ask Grandma" or whatnot that I keep seeing at Walgreens. I'd roll my eyes if I saw a kid in a pro-life shirt, but I figure at this age a kid is a billboard to some extent whatever you do. Even if I don't dress baby in a message shirt, her clothes still reflect my views on what she should wear, not her personal preferences since she is too young to have any.

I like the one that looks like the iPod logo but says iPood. I do think it's tacky but I've contemplated getting it anyway.
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