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Must talk a bit on a subject. That subject is pop-up ads.

I have a pop-up service on some of my quiz results pages and the useless blobs. After some responses today I may look at getting a less invasive one, since people seem to think the service I use is unusually harsh. But I really need something. My site has server costs associated with it, and the pop-ups are the only practical way to get those paid for. Since they'll pay for it without being on forums, articles, or any main pages, I'm happy. Subjecting quiz takers to pop-ups doesn't bother me too much, since they tend to visit once, and if they come back at all they don't come back for the quiz, they come back to visit pages with actual content, and I don't put the ads on those pages.

There's another reason I don't mind using pop-ups: I don't see them. I use the Mozilla Web Browser, which lets you go into "edit > preferences > advanced > scripts" to uncheck the box that says "Allow web pages to open unrequested windows". No more pop-up ads.

So, do I suck for putting pop-ups on pages? Maybe. It's a way for my visitors to chat in the chat room, download xmms skins, browse the forums, read articles, etc. without being subjected to ads anywhere. Those are the people I really care about. Plus, I'm really only bothering people who are stuck using Internet Explorer. I have nothing against IE, it's a fine web browser and I want those people to be able to visit my site too, I just don't care so much about subjecting them to the ads.

so in shirt, all I know about pop-ups is that they're paying for my site, and I've tried other advertisement programs to pay for my site and nothing has ever worked out. If anything, I feel worse for putting up some crappy search link and begging people to click it all the time.

Will say that I'm sorry I posted links to stats pages and people who were looking at color results were subjected to ads. Didn't mean to do that... I've added a function so those links are safe. But the ads will still come up for people taking the quiz, and I don't think I suck for putting them there, I just know that without them I'd be afraid to make quizzes period because they'd cost so much money.

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loden
Dec. 4th, 2003 03:53 pm (UTC)
Just a note- I have IE, and there's a popup blocker on my google bar. It works pretty well, so for all those stuck with IE- poke around in your google bar.
jeffrock
Dec. 4th, 2003 04:10 pm (UTC)
i feel stupid for asking this, but what's a google bar?
tiwonge
Dec. 4th, 2003 05:37 pm (UTC)
http://toolbar.google.com/

It's a small program that puts a toolbar on your MSIE, right below the address bar, so you can type searches in there instead of going to google. It has several other features, including blocking pop-ups. If you use MSIE, I'd say it's almost a required add-on to the browser.
artificialamore
Dec. 4th, 2003 05:46 pm (UTC)
google bar rocks.
mouseesuom
Dec. 4th, 2003 04:34 pm (UTC)
unrequested

I use Mozilla Firebird (which is the browser without the mail/chat/composer clients) and I do fine with requested pop-ups. Much like the ones that I might find on your page. I suppose if you click the link to open a new window it will allow it.

jasonwert
Dec. 4th, 2003 04:55 pm (UTC)
I use Firebird also, it's that cat's pjs.
mouseesuom
Dec. 4th, 2003 05:24 pm (UTC)
Meep! Cats? where? I'm a mouse! :P

Firebird rox my sox, though. :)
jasonwert
Dec. 4th, 2003 05:58 pm (UTC)
oh poop! I wasn't even thinking!
mouseesuom
Dec. 4th, 2003 06:18 pm (UTC)
that's okay. i can handle it..... ;)
mouseesuom
Dec. 4th, 2003 04:37 pm (UTC)
Plus, if you right click on a link and 'open in new tab', it doesnt block it since it's not a "pop-up". :)
rev_rance
Dec. 4th, 2003 04:44 pm (UTC)
Popups are absolute evil. Forcing someone's computer to do something they may not want it to do, such as, open one or a slew of new windws, is just downright rude and intrusive. That being said, you obviously need ad revenue to run your site. How about a more friendly embedded banner advertisement that doesn't pop up a new window?
spacefem
Dec. 4th, 2003 08:19 pm (UTC)
1) Not enough revenue. I've tried it.

2) Not enough companies offering the service, period. The one time I tried it I had to be turned down by a bunch of places first... companies that offer ads via banners and not pop-ups are very picky and want to know a lot about your target audience.

3) I'd have to put banners on every page. With pop-ups, I can put them on like five pages. As I mentioned above, I'd rather torture quiz takers and leave forum members and article readers in peace than bug everyone a little bit.
tiwonge
Dec. 4th, 2003 05:38 pm (UTC)
Opera, all the way. :)
(It also blocks popups. And has this neat mouse gestures thing I'm always missing when I use MSIE.)
tollie
Dec. 4th, 2003 07:23 pm (UTC)
Mozilla Firebird ALSO has Mouse Jestures (through extensions) and it does a MUCH better job rendering HTML than does Opera. I've tried Opera, but IMHO Mozilla is still far better.

Grace and Peace,
tollie
Dec. 4th, 2003 07:25 pm (UTC)
PS. Physics majors don't have to know how to spell.

>But Tollie, you're a Science Education major.

Oh.
dizietsma
Dec. 5th, 2003 12:31 am (UTC)
I wouldn't say MUCH better, Opera's standards compliance is pretty good, both Opera and Mozilla kick the stuffing out of IE ;)

Have fun at http://www.positioniseverything.net/ Most of the Opera-specific bugs are gone now, I could only find 3 that remain in 7.21.
artificialamore
Dec. 4th, 2003 05:46 pm (UTC)
hey spacefem, it's amore!! Just wanted to wave and say hi. ;p how are you and your lil sis doing?

ever thought about making an LJ community for spacefem? i was just thinking about that and decided to share!

*scampers off*
ziemkowski
Dec. 4th, 2003 06:42 pm (UTC)
Like everybody else, I hate them, like all the other tech-savvy users, I don't see them. If you don't block popups somehow, and there's a way with any browser as people have pointed out above, then you have chosen to allow it to happen and should expect the worst.

With Microsoft having announced that the next major IE upgrade in the spring will natively block popups, might as well just continue using it until they go extinct. Likewise, you ought to look for another source of revenue in the meantime, since that stream will die out with that release.

How about following LJ's scheme with some advanced features being a premium service, like @spacefem.com email aliases or some such gimmick.

-AZ-
spacefem
Dec. 4th, 2003 08:21 pm (UTC)
I would, but the average user of my site is only 15 years old. I've offered other services... $5 for a month of 88x31 banner rotation, e-mail, the whole bit... no one ever bites. I've had more random people give me money than people wanting to buy ads from me.
metawidget
Dec. 4th, 2003 07:01 pm (UTC)
I'm fine with popup code, as Safari (included browser on Mac OS X) shoots popups down too.

As long as there are people who don't dodge them... maybe I'll get some "killer banana" shorts to do my part...
stemware
Dec. 4th, 2003 07:13 pm (UTC)
I have absolutely no problem with popups as long as they:

- are single popups that only open one window which goes away without popping up another window when you close it
- do not include popups which install invasive programs such as Gator
- do not include a page that tries to change your home page

I think this is where some of your complaints came from. The particular popup from the quiz results did all three of these to me.

BTW...

I use Explorer because it's resident in the operating system. Since this is my work laptop and it SUCKS I try to run as few applications at once as possible.
spacefem
Dec. 4th, 2003 08:22 pm (UTC)
I don't control the pop-ups on my page, it's a service I use. But I might look into other ones.
insert_token
Dec. 5th, 2003 01:43 am (UTC)
If you need server space for your quizzes, I have server space? Free and no pop ups. :)
spacefem
Dec. 5th, 2003 05:12 am (UTC)
while that's very nice of you, I have plenty of server space. it's bandwidth that's a problem. also, without the pop-ups I wouldn't be able to pay for the bandwidth of the forums, that's why I like them.
beskippy
Dec. 5th, 2003 10:49 am (UTC)
Ahh, yes. This would clarify my original complaint. A single pop-up is not a bother (most of the time). I suffer through OSNews' pop-ups every day without nary a complaint. But it was the invasiveness of the three additional points that you raised that was the main problem. One pop-up is okay. Multiple pop-ups that try to change one's homepage and install spyware are not okay.

I also concur with you about not wanting to install/run a bunch of other crap that's only marginally useful. IE works well enough for me, and I typically avoid sites with excessive pop-ups. This also helps me to only have to reinstall my OS every few years, instead of every few months as some individuals seem to suffer through...
fyre
Dec. 5th, 2003 12:45 am (UTC)
yeah, I use Avant at home, but at work I get those annoying pop-ups. *pout*
belgand
Dec. 5th, 2003 01:04 am (UTC)
While I feel that pop-ups are reprehensible and beyond forgiveness I, of course, use Mozilla and I don't really give a fuck if some 15 year-old girl using IE is irritated.

Regarding the Google toolbar, well... don't really see the point of that either since Mozilla (wait for it...) does that automagically as well and without sacrificing screen space to it either.

Should I even mention how I'm reading this in a totally unobtrusive tab forked out from my main friends page so I don't lose my place or have to put with up a new window slamming down and fucking up the organization of my windows?

If you're tired of Mozilla, you're tired of life dammit.
paranoidandroid
Dec. 5th, 2003 02:52 am (UTC)
What you may not realise is...
...not all of us are able to choose the browser we use.

I do most of my browsing from work. Others use public PCs in Uni's and Libraries. Others have the technical know how of my mum, and use the browser that comes with the OS.

Now at home I can use whichever browser I choose, (and I use several, mostly to "test" out web pages for compatibility.) As more than 90% of the people viewing my web pages use IE, I use that almost exclusively now so I get the same experience that they do. Saying "I don't give a fuck" wont really help me if no-one wants to visit my web pages.

And to Spacefem ... I have no problem with the pop-ups on your quiz pages (If I do quizzes, I do them at home, and have the facilities to thwart the nasty bastard pop-ups.) and to be honest even the quiz results, providing the links have some form of warning that "there be pop-ups."
I think pop-ups are the work of the devil, but I understand your need for them, and respect the fact that you keep the main part of your site pop-up free.
I was appalled by the actual pop-ups themselves, I'm sure some of them are virutally illegal (no close button, repeating pop-up until you install/change homepage etc). There were also pop-ups that held content my work place considers "bad." Everytime I go to a web site that's "bad" I need to explain why I wanted to go there... so yesterday was a little embarrising to say the least.

I'm done spouting now.
aardvarklf
Dec. 5th, 2003 03:58 pm (UTC)
Re: What you may not realise is...
I'll second that. The firewall I'm behind tends to throw a shit-fit whenever I try to use a browser that isn't IE or Netscape. Every eight minutes or so, it also signs me out of every instant messenger program I own, except iChat, but that's another rant for another day.

At the risk of repeating what others have said, I certainly understand why you need pop-ups, but the ones you're getting from the service are indeed among the more obnoxious ones I've seen.
harlequinn
Dec. 5th, 2003 06:41 am (UTC)
"so in shirt, all I know about pop-ups is that they're paying for my site, and I've tried other advertisement programs to pay for my site and nothing has ever worked out."

I want a shirt that Blocks Pop-Up ads. That would Rule. I could Call it a "Pop Tart" or Something...
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